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Posted: July 11 2013 at 1:56am | IP Logged Quote northumbrian

The Welrod was designed by Major Hugh Reeves of the Inter-Services Research Bureau or Station IX, in Welwyn Garden City, from about 1941.
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Posted: July 11 2013 at 7:07am | IP Logged Quote Slowhand

Thanks!  We may have to call this site Information Central.  I always appreciate the quick response to any queries I have. 
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Posted: July 11 2013 at 1:09pm | IP Logged Quote northumbrian

Your more than welcome, and I also say this the only sound you hear from this weapon is the strike hitting the primer.
And if there are any other sounds around, you won't even hear that.
It is the most silent firearm, I have ever come across.
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Posted: July 11 2013 at 9:15pm | IP Logged Quote Slowhand

That has to be one well designed silencer, what are the baffles made of?  Do they use SS ammo or standard velocity ammo?  We can now have "suppressors" in Michigan  legally, but they have to be licensed and registered to the owner/shooter.  I think the permit fee is on the steep side also plus I am sure the suppressors have to be commercial with a serial number just like rifles and handguns. 
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Welrod & Sleeve Gun both use .32 Calibre I would assume for 2 reasons it was a common calibre in Europe easy to come by also Sub Sonic it meant both pistols had to be used extremely close to the target.

The Baffles were Felt (common Fur Felt) same as in the Silenced STEN Gun a good modern substitute is The Synthetic scrub pads off a floor polisher, they are fairly thick and still allow gas to flow into their chamber space or Scotch Brite. The baffles were shot through the object being to provide a seal around the bullet to trap gas, they had to be replaced.

One design for the KAR 98 was simply a tube with 2 x 1 Cm Rubber plugs shot through then replaced after about 6 shots. The Russians have made similar types with just rubber plugs.
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Posted: July 12 2013 at 5:27am | IP Logged Quote cognard

could anybody let me know if old school blueprints can be obtained ??
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Posted: July 12 2013 at 6:40am | IP Logged Quote Slowhand

It never ceases to amaze me the amount of information available on this site just for the asking.  Prompt answers are the norm.  I tried asking a question on a shotgun group site and got some sarcastic answers from being told to get on a specific subgroup part of the site or not to ask anything at all.  This has to be the best of the best!
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Posted: July 12 2013 at 9:57am | IP Logged Quote Sagittarii

Now that I have some more time you will find lots of good info on the link below. Unfortunately due to the size of some files this is not the entire collection. The picture below is British obviously copied from the German design.

Supressors, Silencers & Moderators

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Posted: July 12 2013 at 10:26am | IP Logged Quote northumbrian

The Welrod MkII used .32 ACP, in Colt 1903 mags.
The .32 ACP is sub sonic by design so lends itself extremely well to suppressed weapons.

The supressor baffles are steel, with Aluminium spacers and space every few baffles was a rubber washer.
the outer case was steel, so the Welrod is quite heavy.

Range is not too great but, hey no ones going to notice you fire it.
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Posted: July 17 2013 at 6:09am | IP Logged Quote uuii

Hello, people!
This is not really blueprints, but it also looks interesting.


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Posted: October 02 2013 at 1:51pm | IP Logged Quote dprice38444

mongo,is there any way to get detailed welrod drawings,am 01/sot and my friend,who is a title 2 in brunswick ga has me hunting for them.
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Posted: October 04 2013 at 10:25am | IP Logged Quote Mongo

Actual original drawings, I have no idea. Reverse engineered 3D modeled drawings that have been corrected, pay me my engineering time.
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Posted: October 07 2013 at 5:02pm | IP Logged Quote dprice38444

WILL THEY BE CORRECT AND FUNCTIONAL FOR EVERY PART?
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Posted: October 08 2013 at 12:47pm | IP Logged Quote Mongo

The problem is the original was made with Whitworth threads so not it will not be 100% correct from that standpoint.
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Posted: October 08 2013 at 4:57pm | IP Logged Quote cognard

if i pay engineering time , would a welrod blueprint be available ??
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I understand the appeal of replicating a historical firearm but I would go for something different.

Material technology and baffle design has come a long way since the Welrod was first conceived, it would be great to see someone come up with a 21st century version.

One could take advantage of the fact that there are now heavy subsonic loadings for 9mm making the ported barrel superfluous, throw in a monocore alloy baffle stack, polymer frame, the obligatory picatinny rails...

There was some discussion of this concept on silencertalk: http://www.silencertalk.com/silencer-forum/viewtopic.php?f=2 &t=51236
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Posted: October 09 2013 at 9:41am | IP Logged Quote Mongo

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if i pay engineering time , would a welrod blueprint be available ??


I would generate drawing for each and every part required to make a semi accurate working copy of the Welrod. There is a lot of drawings required.
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Posted: October 09 2013 at 10:07am | IP Logged Quote cognard

well , silencer drawings would be the easier ones , the problem is the trigger and associated parts ....
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Folks on another board know of my affinity for Don Corbin's old .22-32 Flea wildcat.  I have a SACM auto that I fitted with a lined barrel for that little round, and it can reload to .22 Magnum specs pretty readily.  This Welrod design would be made to order for my little pipsqueak round.
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Posted: March 12 2014 at 11:23am | IP Logged Quote Mongo

So you want a Welrod.

B&T has copied it and done some slight updates to it calling it a veterinarian pistol in 9mm.

http://www.all4shooters.com/en/specials/Trade-shows-2014/IWA -2014-new-products/enforcetac/Brugger-Thomet-VP9/


pdf brochure

http://www.bt-ag.ch/pdf/Brochure_VP9.pdf

Looking at the picture I can tell it is an almost exact copy with a different magazine and grip design. The trigger mechanism is identical with a few parts manufacturing changes.

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