Has anyone ever heard of plans to make a semi auto only MP44?
I know when the kits are cut up the internal receiver is usually trashed! Once in a while they do turn up intact with just the rear section cut off.
The MP44 fires from the closed bolt and would seem like a perfect candidate for a semi auto only coversion.
Any comments???
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I have never heard of one but it should be easy enough. Finding the parts sets are the hard part. Most end up as Post samples.
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Has anyone ever heard of plans to make a semi auto only MP44?
I know when the kits are cut up the internal receiver is usually trashed! Once in a while they do turn up intact with just the rear section cut off.
The MP44 fires from the closed bolt and would seem like a perfect candidate for a semi auto only coversion.
Any comments???
Last time I saw an MP44 the kit was $1200 bucks. But the nice part was that it was saw cut and included the rec parts. Your right on with the closed bolt design it would be simpler them most.
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I have a couple of MP44 as post samples and have toyed with the thought of converting one to semi. The conversion would be the same as converting HK91, thus modifying the front part of the lower to a shelf mount design instead of a pin on just like what Century does to HK91s. Also the trigger pack would have to be altered minus the sear and perm fixed not to take that part.
The Problem is.. Lack of reasonably priced parts kits (currently $1200 to $1500), 7.92x33 Kurzammo is not available (unless you consider $1 or more a round being available, I sure don't)
Oh, And Original Mags are going for around $100 each (if you can find one)
I was thinking that if a company can make HK91 stamped receivers just like the original, then they could easly make the the stamped handguard, Lower rec and upper receivers for the MP44. Then use barrels and Mags from AK47. A very close copy of the MP44 could be made that uses cheap AK mags and ammo. If only I had a complete machine shop at my disposal, <sigh>
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Hi All,
Apologies in advance to the "purists" on the list, but here's what we did with a partial MP44 kit and my HK93. (Yeah, I know its "only" in .223, I don't care.)
On the left is Randy's original MP43/1, on the right is mine. And, yeah, thats his new spare trigger group mated up to it for the picture. With some more work, the HK guts would fit in the MP44 housing, but I thought it would be easier to "cut and fit" the embossed sheetmetal of an MP44 housing onto an HK triggerpack. In any event, it shoots wonderfully, both live and with blanks.
Not bad for a girl, huh?
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WOW, Kate!
I knew you were talented but I'd still be doing German if I could have had my old HK converted like that!!
Good thing for the motherland's sake I sold it and all my fascist crap along time ago!!!! Did you see ezfeeds ideas on the ppsh?
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Thanx for the compliments guys, it means a lot to me.
I DO like German stuff, but the sausage-eaters didn't let girls fight, sooooo.....
Besides, you know my wicked sense of humor, I like to watch their eyes bug out when I do Russian or partisan (Hmm, January?) and scrag them with their own hardware..."Hier Kinder, kommst-du...."
I DID seriously consider buying one of those huge nasty old nite scopes FAC was selling last year, just to rig up a very late war "Vampir" unit, but I thought it might be a little overboard, even for me......
Kate
BTW, If anyone is interested in doing the HK conversion, let me know. K8
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A Follow-Up (sort of)
A couple of folks have emailed me offlist about the HK/MP44 conversion.
Yes, its semi, but a registered HK triggerpack and FA bolt will still fit, for those who just have to have "rock-n-roll". ( Along the same lines, the HK retractable stock still fits, if you wanna REALLY screw with the SS guys heads!!)
Yes, the barrel ends up being the 16.5" length required to be legal, mine is a total of 3/8" LONGER than the original (bbl), THATS why I went with the late-war stock. No, I don't currently have any more parts. (WISH I DID!!!!!!!!!) And finally, yes, altho the easiest conversion is done as I did mine, leaving the original HK cocking tube assembly alone and functional, one COULD slot the reciever and attach an original MP44 bolt handle to the HK bolt carrier and then use an original MP44 gastube up front. (It'd make a good place to store your blank adapter and cleaning junk, I guess, can't keep lipstick or M&M's there, it gets too hot..... )
Since Vector Arms has replicated the HK93 recievers, and D&S Arms has seen fit to import a boatload of HK33/93 kits, its even easier/less expensive than when I did mine.
My question to this list is how much interest would there be in good cast copies of the front sight, gas block, and rear sight base it would take to do one, and does anyone know of a fabricator who would have the facilities to make the handguards? I have a wood guy almost interested in replicating stocks.....
I'm considering the marketability of a "kit", let me know what you think......
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I'd have to get a special permit from the DOJ here in commiefornia but since I already have 2 registered AW guns they can't say I'm not trustworthy!!! I could finally use up all those leftover 5.56 blanks I've been hording!
Kate, ifyoudoitIwillwantone!!!!!!!
I might even occasionally at reenactments wander over to the dark side of the force......
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Mwah-hah-hah!!!
NO ONE CAN RESIST THE DARK SIDE!!!!
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Wow! Very nice. I worked hard to get an ar-15 trigger group into an empty trigger housing. It was butchered to begin with so I was not afraid to hurt it. Since the price of these kits is getting so high. People on ebay are trying and getting $200+ for the mags if ebay doesn't yank them in time.
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THERE IS A TREMEDOUS INTEREST IN THIS GUN AND PARTS FOR IT ARE GOING FOR RIDICULOUS PRICES ON GUNBROKER AND EBAY_____I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN ONE (THERE IS A JAPANESE BLANK FIRING MODEL BEING MADE NOW)
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Very nice work! Any idea on a ballpark price for the kit should this move forward?
I think that there would be considerable interest, particularly amongst the WWII re-enacting community.
Not interested in the "toy" item from Japan, but the .223 conversion version of an HK93.
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Yeah, for $1200 I want more than a noise maker. Buttstock looks different than the original I have.
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Hey guys,
Thanx for the replies, both on and off list. I am currently looking for a small casting place that would be interested in producing the front sight post, gas block, and stacking lug as a small run. (Like 50 "sets".) I have an original set of these items that I take to show them what I want to end up with. I will keep this list updated as (and if) stuff happens. I think the rear sight base and handguard can be produced through a well equipped sheet-metal fabricator. I'm not going to worry about the wood buttstocks until the metal parts are a reality.
Good eye, Smoogle, altho the buttstock on mine IS original, if you check out the new Sturmgewehr book you'll see side-by-side comparisons of several stocks there that differ in details. Evidently at some point they modified te buttstocks to fit in the standard vehicle holder.....
Currently, with the Vector V93 recievers at $500, and HK kits from DSA at $300, it looks like $800 just for the currently available materials. Obviously I'd like to keep costs down as much as possible, well have to see how it progresses.
Oops, bad girl, I forgot to mention the buttstock "backplate" on this build is converted from an HK91/CETME.
Later,
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Actually I was talking about the Shoei toy. But, I guess I will take that as a compliment.
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Ooops, Sorry!
Actually, it WAS a compliment, only I thought you were talking about the pic I uploaded showing my HK conversion next to Randy's original. My bad. I agree, the Shoei is very close, (momentarily considered as a possible parts source) but there are some noticable wierdnesses, and like you, for $1200 I want something that I can take to the range and/or reenact with.
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Would you be interested in machined front sight base, stacking lug and gas block? I know the originals were cast then machined - I have a local shop that does machining and they kind of look forward to small runs of "oddball" items. They have machined a variety of firearm related projects for me and are reasonably priced.
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"purists" on the list, but here's what we did with a partial MP44 kit and my HK93. (Yeah, I know its "only" in .223, I don't care.)
thats his new spare trigger group mated up to it for the picture. With some more work, the HK guts would fit in the MP44 housing, but I thought it would be easier to "cut and fit" the embossed sheetmetal of an MP44 housing onto an HK triggerpack. In any event, it shoots wonderfully, both live and with blanks.
Not bad for a girl, huh?
I like to watch their eyes bug out 
when I do Russian or partisan (Hmm, January?) and scrag them 
with their own hardware..."Hier Kinder, kommst-du...."
A couple of folks have emailed me offlist about the HK/MP44 conversion. 
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Along the same lines, the HK retractable stock still fits, 
