Newbie here... I barely have the energy left to type here, having spent the better part of the past week trying to get a definitive answer to the question: Can a New Jersey resident (otherwise not in violation of any law governing ownership of a non-NFA weapon,) build an Ar 15 from an 80% receiver? The folks over at AR-15's forum say NO, quoting a definition in NJ Legislation restricting anyone who builds a weapon as a "manufacturer!" My understanding is that the legislation they refer to is governing manufacture of an NFA (Title 2) weapon. Help, please.
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As far as i know, it IS legal to build your own rifle, and your own receiver if you want. I am not familiar with the laws in NJ. Can you quote or provide a link?
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This is the legislation AND it's contents, (saved you the trouble of going there...
The general consesus seems to be that it is illegal/not in your best interest to complete an 80% lower in the state of NJ.
New Jersey Statute 2C:39
2C:39-1. Definitions. The following definitions apply to this chapter and to chapter 58:
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j. "Manufacturer" means any person who receives or obtains raw materials or parts and processes them into firearms or finished parts of firearms, except a person who exclusively processes grips, stocks and other nonmetal parts of firearms. The term does not include a person who repairs existing firearms or receives new and used raw materials or parts solely for the repair of existing firearms.
2C:39-9. Manufacture, Transport, Disposition and Defacement of Weapons and Dangerous Instruments and Appliances. a. Machine guns. Any person who manufactures, causes to be manufactured, transports, ships, sells or disposes of any machine gun without being registered or licensed to do so as provided in chapter 58 is guilty of a crime of the third degree.
b.Sawed-off shotguns. Any person who manufactures, causes to be manufactured, transports, ships, sells or disposes of any sawed-off shotgun is guilty of a crime of the third degree.
c.Firearm silencers. Any person who manufactures, causes to be manufactured, transports, ships, sells or disposes of any firearm silencer is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree.
d.Weapons. Any person who manufactures, causes to be manufactured, transports, ships, sells or disposes of any weapon, including gravity knives, switchblade knives, ballistic knives, daggers, dirks, stilettos, billies, blackjacks, metal knuckles, sandclubs, slingshots, cesti or similar leather bands studded with metal filings, or in the case of firearms if he is not licensed or registered to do so as provided in chapter 58, is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. Any person who manufactures, causes to be manufactured, transports, ships, sells or disposes of any weapon or other device which projects, releases or emits tear gas or other substances intended to produce temporary physical discomfort or permanent injury through being vaporized or otherwise dispensed in the air, which is intended to be used for any purpose other than for authorized military or law enforcement purposes by duly authorized military or law enforcement personnel or the device is for the purpose of personal self-defense, is pocket-sized and contains not more than three-quarters of an ounce of chemical substance not ordinarily capable of lethal use or of inflicting serious bodily injury, or other than to be used by any person permitted to possess such weapon or device under the provisions of subsection d. of N.J.S.2C:39-5, which is intended for use by financial and other business institutions as part of an integrated security system, placed at fixed locations, for the protection of money and property, by the duly authorized personnel of those institutions, is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree.
e.Defaced firearms. Any person who defaces any firearm is guilty of a crime of the third degree. Any person who knowingly buys, receives, disposes of or conceals a defaced firearm, except an antique firearm or an antique handgun, is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree.
f. (1) Any person who manufactures, causes to be manufactured, transports, ships, sells, or disposes of any bullet, which is primarily designed for use in a handgun, and which is comprised of a bullet whose core or jacket, if the jacket is thicker than .025 of an inch, is made of tungsten carbide, or hard bronze, or other material which is harder than a rating of 72 or greater on the Rockwell B. Hardness Scale, and is therefore capable of breaching or penetrating body armor and which is intended to be used for any purpose other than for authorized military or law enforcement purposes by duly authorized military or law enforcement personnel, is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree.
(2) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to prevent a licensed collector of ammunition as defined in paragraph (2) of subsection f. of N.J.S.2C:39-3 from transporting the bullets defined in paragraph (1) of this subsection from (a) any licensed retail or wholesale firearms dealer's place of business to the collector's dwelling, premises, or other land owned or possessed by him, or (b) to or from the collector's dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him to any gun show for the purposes of display, sale, trade, or transfer between collectors, or (c) to or from the collector's dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him to any rifle or pistol club organized in accordance with the rules prescribed by the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice; provided that the club has filed a copy of its charter with the superintendent of the State Police and annually submits a list of its members to the superintendent, and provided further that the ammunition being transported shall be carried not loaded in any firearm and contained in a closed and fastened case, gun box, or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported, and the course of travel shall include only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances.
g.Assault firearms. Any person who manufactures, causes to be manufactured, transports, ships, sells or disposes of an assault firearm without being registered or licensed to do so pursuant to N.J.S.2C:58-1 et seq. is guilty of a crime of the third degree.
h.Large capacity ammunition magazines. Any person who manufactures, causes to be manufactured, transports, ships, sells or disposes of a large capacity ammunition magazine which is intended to be used for any purpose other than for authorized military or law enforcement purposes by duly authorized military or law enforcement personnel is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree.
Mech Warrior, I posted a reply including the entire quoted NJ Legislation, it's being reviewed for approval, but I guess should be allowed to be posted soon. Maybe the length of it got it flagged?!
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Posted: September 01 2012 at 9:31pm | IP Logged
It sounds to me like, they want all rifles registered there. If you don't have a manufacturing license then you can not register the serial number? I guess?
It looks to me like they need to keep records of all rifles and owners. If you were to build it yourself, they would not know you had it! GASP! That is scary! Not knowing who has a rifle and who does not!
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Mech warrior... there is no serial number on an 80% complete receiver, nor is one required. I appreciate your willingness to help, but frankly with all that hangs in the balance, "I think..." could land me in the Pen, doing 20 years. Thanks, sincerely, but I really need definitive answers that I can reference and show a judge.
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I know that there is not a serial number, i also know that one is not required in the free world. But, reading what you posted states the following;
1) j. "Manufacturer" means any person who receives or obtains raw materials or parts and processes them into firearms or finished parts of firearms, except a person who exclusively processes grips, stocks and other nonmetal parts of firearms.
2) d.Weapons. Any person who manufactures, causes to be manufactured, transports, ships, sells or disposes of any weapon, including gravity knives, switchblade knives, ballistic knives, daggers, dirks, stilettos, billies, blackjacks, metal knuckles, sandclubs, slingshots, cesti or similar leather bands studded with metal filings, or in the case of firearms if he is not licensed or registered to do so as provided in chapter 58, is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree.
It is obvious to me that just receiving the "raw material" is the same crime as actually finishing it! Hence my statement of no serial number to register!
They obviously want to know who has what!
Did you check out the link i posted?
Maybe someone who lives there could chime in on this!
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Posted: September 02 2012 at 6:54am | IP Logged
This is copied from their Website njgunforums.com, SO apparently you cannot make your own Receiver
In NJ, you can NOT legally bend a flat into a receiver. That is considered manufacturing, and you need a special license to do so. Your only legal way of putting this gun together is by buying a complete 100% receiver that is transfered through a FFL like a rifle. You will still need the rest of the US made parts as well. The receiver is one, the fire control group (trigger, hammer, disconector) is 3 and the welded extended brake is 1...thats 5, and all you need if the rifle does not have a threaded barrel. By welding on the brake, its no longer considered a threaded barrel. If you want to be extra safe , you can also get a US made gas piston, which will give you an extra part and allow you to keep the original pistol grips...the front one is OK to have and does NOT count as an extra evil item as per the NJ list of very bad and evil gun parts.............Also, the AMD brake produces a HUGE fireball that can easily been seen in the daylight as well as a gigantic BOOM.....other people at the range will either love or hate it.
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