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Posted: February 04 2013 at 1:15am | IP Logged Quote SurplusSavior

Hi, I live in Washington State and I wanted some clarity on its laws for having fun guns aka semi auto belt feds, semi LMG's and semi "smg's".

Everywhere I look I find that companies, like Apex, wont ship belt fed or smg kits to Washington state. I figured its because fully automatic firearms are illegal in Washington.

I did find this information here: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.220

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Unlawful firearms and parts contraband.


"All machine guns, short-barreled shotguns, or short-barreled rifles, or any part designed and intended solely and exclusively for use in a machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle, or in converting a weapon into a machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle, illegally held or illegally possessed are hereby declared to be contraband..."

[1994 sp.s. c 7 § 421; 1933 c 64 § 4; RRS § 2518-4.]

I really want to build a semi belt fed of some kind but I do not want to break any laws. So what do you guys make of this? Are parts kits themselves illegal or is apex not selling to WA state more of a company policy? Maybe just the FA FCG parts are illegal?

I can get Ak parts kits, for some reason everyone will ship those here but I keep thinking why, why are ak kits different than say a RPD kit?

Any help would be great as I am dyin' here without being able to build anything but ak's...

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Posted: February 04 2013 at 8:18am | IP Logged Quote ruthless79

I would say because most belt fed guns are full auto is why they won't ship to Washington state. I also live in Washington state and have looked in to the laws on things I wanted like an sbr which you can see is a no-no also   
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Posted: February 04 2013 at 12:38pm | IP Logged Quote sts440

I believe the issue is the "any part designed and intended solely and exclusively for use in ... " comment.  A lot of parts kits still have full auto parts (like a sear) in them.
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Posted: February 04 2013 at 1:24pm | IP Logged Quote boss429

Unlawful firearms and parts contraband.


"All machine guns, short-barreled shotguns, or short-barreled rifles, or any part designed and intended solely and exclusively for use in a machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle, or in converting a weapon into a machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle, illegally held or illegally possessed are hereby declared to be contraband..."

[1994 sp.s. c 7 § 421; 1933 c 64 § 4; RRS § 2518-4.]

 

None of that applies to you. You are not making any of those guns by building a semi-auto belt fed.

I remember reading(years ago) that the Washington state law is just a poor worded version of the already existing federal laws against building MGs etc. and MG parts are considered the registerted serial numbered parts not misc. parts in a Demilled MG gun kit. You should be able to Google up better info though.

You might call a few random gun shops and ask them if they have any info/customers with Semi belt feds... 

Some companies will not ship to WA aviod ANY possible legalities.

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Posted: February 04 2013 at 11:10pm | IP Logged Quote SurplusSavior

Thanks much guys. I want to avoid having the ATF bust through my door and beating the tar out of me for having a mg42 top cover or something like that.
So as long as there is no completed auto receiver I should be good then.

However I do think there is a company policy thing going on with shipping kits with auto trigger parts (sears, etc.). I called Midway USA a while back asking about their Maadi ak kits, they said they would not ship here because of the automatic trigger parts. I asked if they could remove them and ship the kit and they told me they would not.

I have seen some belt feds for sale around locally (an Mg34 and a Bren MkII) so they must be legal.

So if I get a company to ship to me without auto triggers or buy a kit from another person I should be good with to the law right?
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http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=2099&y ear=2011 Needs to be modified to include full auto's and SBR's... but either way, I know I'd like to build a 357 SIG or 7.62x25 in an SBR platform.
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As far as i know, as long as you do not have any auto sears, full auto trigger parts, auto receivers, or other needed items to make an automatic then your good to go! I do know, that if you have a semi auto rifle or belt fed, and also the original auto parts, it is considered them same as an illegal gun because they view that as intent! Which is stupid but, that is the point of that law.

If you wanted a belt fed, just by the kit without the auto trigger and stuff from someone who will remove those parts, then order the semi auto stuff, and make sure if you are doing a reweld, that all your blocking pins or bars or other needed mods are done to prevent insertion of auto parts BEFORE the receiver is completed. Sounds difficult but it is not!
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Posted: February 05 2013 at 12:44am | IP Logged Quote SurplusSavior

Thanks guys for all your insight, looks like im good to go. I just have to decide on what to build now, leaning towards a RPD.

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I would say because most belt fed guns are full auto is why they won't ship to Washington state. I also live in Washington state and have looked in to the laws on things I wanted like an sbr which you can see is a no-no also   


As far as SBR's go, they are illegal... for now. It looks like they are trying to pass a new bill that would legalize them if they are legally acquired and registered. Its worded funny so thats how I interpret it.
Google "Wa house bill 1561" if  interested in it. There is hope!


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This thread is a bit outdated and I wanted to spread some good news. In WA suppressors can now be mounted and used on firearms, SBR's are legal, belt feds are legal for WA sale, but short barreled shotguns, destructive devices, and full auto are not (unless you are a manufacturer). Suppressors and SBR's carry a $200 Federal tax stamp and AOW a $5.

SBR's are legal but have a catch, that is they must be newly manufactured and must be manufactured out of state. So no cutting down your barrel or putting a butt stock on your pistol, then filling out a Form 4, sorry. Needs to be purchased from an out of state manufacture and shipped to a class 3 dealer. Good news is these strange restrictions are up for amendment in this current legislation session so I highly recommend writing your representatives and convincing them to do so. They actually listen more than you think since they receive so few letters. Be smart about it, research their ideology before hand and sell to their individual beliefs.

Short barreled shotguns illegal, however Serbu and Safety Harbor both sell their Mossberg or Rem 870 super shorty "shotguns" that have never been mounted with a butt stock making them an AOW. Serbu Super Shorty,
Safety Harbor Shotgun. However, you cannot go mounting this under your AR as this means you have just put a but stock on the shotgun and its now a short barreled shotgun. Sadly even owning the AOW, AR, and mounts to connect them can be viewed as intent of construction of an illegal firearm and they have been cracking down on this. Just like owning a short AR upper and not attaching it to the lower; or owning a Glock and the full auto selector switch (legal in some states) but never mounting it. Not even worth the risks anymore.

ARES Defense sells their MCR in a WA legal semi-auto belt fed upper chambered in 5.56. ARES MCR. There is a reproduction Browning 1919 available in Semi-Auto as well. The MCR is fun because its a fraction of the weight of most belt feed rifles. With any firearm there are restrictions, and with restrictions are loopholes; you cannot import a UK 59 into this state because of its full auto and military pedigree, even if it has been cut. I don't know exactly why but you can't... but remember the loop hole effect. To the best of my understanding (working out the details for mine right now) you must purchase the parts kit and have it delivered out of state as it is a non NFA item. There they must repair the receiver and permanently modify it for semi-auto use only. At this point you fill out a Form 1 registering it as a newly manufactured firearm then shipping it in state as you would any other firearm. You can do it all online here: BATFE eForms

Sorry about the length but the more people that know is the more that own, which means the harder it is to take away. Happy shooting.
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