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Posted: March 03 2017 at 10:02pm | IP Logged Quote Cutaway

If anyone here is up for discussing about 1980s small arms projects, post here.

The 1980s had a lot of advanced firearms project designs and layouts but many remained at prototype stage. Personally i think some of these designs still have it today or at least ideas to fall back on. Has anyone here thought on reusing ideas/components of these firearms or at least for the aesthetics?

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Posted: March 06 2017 at 6:21pm | IP Logged Quote Zuzzy

Such as which projects ? g11 ??
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Posted: March 07 2017 at 6:45am | IP Logged Quote backbencher

The looks of the FN P90 have proven very popular - the expensive round less so.
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Posted: April 14 2017 at 7:48pm | IP Logged Quote Cutaway

The auto shotguns of the time were advanced, but later found the same could be done with an existing assault rifle in 12 gauge (IE: Saiga shotguns etc)

The layout of the Pancor Jackhammer looks ideal for a rifle/machine gun project, the handle/sight block, compensator, pistol grip section.




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Posted: April 15 2017 at 3:22am | IP Logged Quote justin22885

ive seen a couple interesting shotgun ideas, but none that particularly interested me though, i may even trade in my remington 870 and just build a slamfire for the simplicity and the fact itd still be able to do everything i use the 870 for

in that first photo, it looks like the magazine is perpendicular to the bore, how does it feed?
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Posted: April 15 2017 at 11:31am | IP Logged Quote backbencher

Probably in the same manner as the FN P90.
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now that i look more closely at it, it looks like the cartridges being fed off of the drum are moving through a rotated channel up into the grip.. hard to say

these shotguns look marketed to military though and no military is going to make a shotgun their main battle weapon, they fill a niche role just as easily handled by an M590 pump... so much so theyre even taking stocks off of pumps and mounting them under M4s for breaching

i cant believe any company thought theyd sell, they should have been marketed to civilians like the keltec DP12 or KSG
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Kel-Tec KSG shotgun or its competitor, the DP12.

Post Vietnam, there was a good bit of interest in military shotguns; there was an HK product that was mooted back in the '80's, the various Benellis, etc.
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Posted: April 15 2017 at 3:32pm | IP Logged Quote justin22885

and they all failed because shotguns are of little importance to military outside of a micro role just as easily filled by existing and cheaper pumps
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The Army went so far as to adopt a straight pull bolt action magazine fed 12 ga that will run independently or fixed under the M4 bbl.  I've not seen one, but apparently they're issued and used.
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backbencher wrote:
The Army went so far as to adopt a straight pull bolt action magazine fed 12 ga that will run independently or fixed under the M4 bbl.  I've not seen one, but apparently they're issued and used.

For breaching?

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Posted: April 16 2017 at 2:28am | IP Logged Quote backbencher

Mostly.  Also useful for whatever 19 year olds find shotguns useful for in the desert.
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