Has anyone ever tried that Etch-O-Matic system. They say it will go to a depth of .003 and has different letter sizing. I know it's setup to surface etch in 3 seconds, but they claim if you leave it for 20 seconds it will etch the .003. Anyone?
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Has anyone ever tried that Etch-O-Matic system. They say it will go to a depth of .003 and has different letter sizing. I know it's setup to surface etch in 3 seconds, but they claim if you leave it for 20 seconds it will etch the .003. Anyone?
I just picked one up, so I hope to show a few photos of the results.
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Has anyone ever tried that Etch-O-Matic system. They say it will go to a depth of .003 and has different letter sizing. I know it's setup to surface etch in 3 seconds, but they claim if you leave it for 20 seconds it will etch the .003. Anyone?
I just picked one up, so I hope to show a few photos of the results.
Can't wait to see how it does. Did you get it from Caswell?
I only ask because Etch-O-Matic.com has a combo kit of the Etch-O-Matic and the stencil maker (440 model) for $199.99.
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I will check out the igraver and the Etc-O-Matic sites. I spent many years learning to hammer and chisel. IMHO, without checking these sites, etching is quick, easy and low technology. You dam up the area, apply photo resist, insert a zerox transparenty and expose it to an IR light bulb. Wash away what did not set and add acid. Viola, it is done. An hour's worth of training and you could use this technique on lots of metal besides firearms.
What say you, one and all, shall Tom investigate?
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I will check out the igraver and the Etc-O-Matic sites. I spent many years learning to hammer and chisel. IMHO, without checking these sites, etching is quick, easy and low technology. You dam up the area, apply photo resist, insert a zerox transparenty and expose it to an IR light bulb. Wash away what did not set and add acid. Viola, it is done. An hour's worth of training and you could use this technique on lots of metal besides firearms.
What say you, one and all, shall Tom investigate?
Go Tom!
I am very interested in both etching and engraving!
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I will check out the igraver and the Etc-O-Matic sites. I spent many years learning to hammer and chisel. IMHO, without checking these sites, etching is quick, easy and low technology. You dam up the area, apply photo resist, insert a zerox transparenty and expose it to an IR light bulb. Wash away what did not set and add acid. Viola, it is done. An hour's worth of training and you could use this technique on lots of metal besides firearms.
What say you, one and all, shall Tom investigate?
Go for it....
I actually just got one, but I really need a Ultra Violet Exposure Unit.
It's hard to create custom STENCILS with out it.
I'll be holding off buying one until money is doing better
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I have a long standing relentionship with the Cronite Company. I will call them and get their recomendations about our etching needs. I would be pleased to research this and pass everything on to all who are interested.
Did I ever tell you that, from time to time, I can see the future? I see an expanding "Weaponeer Class" which includes forbidden subjects such as etching and engraving. I would be pleased to teach but we must establish where and when and the infrastructure. A class fee will be charged. I was paid $1000 per class at WKN University and in Australia, for a one week class, I was paid $500 per student. I am willing to wave all costs if my food and found costs are covered. All tuition costs go to Weaponeer. I have been engraving for 30 years. Few people know me because I do not take work. I helped Lynton McKenzie with his class at WKNU and he asked me to take over the class when he became ill. PLEASE Google Lynton!! He was an extraordinary artist and teacher.
What say you?
Tom
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I would be in for a class, but it might be beyond the pain threshold of my bank account.
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O would be in for a class time permitting.
Tommerr, long time back I though you were going to sell some tool kits etc to get us start at home. How do you express your engraving if you don't take work?
RE: Etch-o-matic
Good for shallow marking will not do ATF legal depth(.003) etching, another board member told me he had one to get the etch deeper than .001 you would have to leave the etch on so long the fluid would run under the template ruining the design.
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At my age, I engrave as I wish. Passing along techniques is the very best of fun.
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tom, absolutely interested. where and when?
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Tools are important. Unless someone shows you what and how, the tools are meaningless. Engraving is easy when instructened. In my classes, everyone engraves from the first hour. I have taught engravening classes for many years. I can chisel without looking at the metal. I feel and I listen. This sounds like junk until you see the process. I owe nothing to any commercial company. Please join the engraving community.
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The Etc-O-Matic is useful for transferring designs to metal for "real" engraving (for those who have less graphic skill), or for adding information to your build (name etc), but it's not deep enough for the ATF to apply the SER Number data.
It's fine for logos, selector markings, and things of that nature.
Real engraving is quickly becoming a lost art, and a class of this nature is not something you will find at your local tech college, or something you can really pick up from a book.
If you are remotely interested in engraving, then don't pass up on this opportunity.
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Tools are important. Unless someone shows you what and how, the tools are meaningless. Engraving is easy when instructened. In my classes, everyone engraves from the first hour. I have taught engravening classes for many years. I can chisel without looking at the metal. I feel and I listen. This sounds like junk until you see the process. I owe nothing to any commercial company. Please join the engraving community.
Tom
I would like to aquire some tools, do some reading, give it a try, and make lots of mistakes. Many things in my live were self taught, making mistakes I beleive is part of the learning process. Somethings I never get the hang of something but other times I surprize myself. One thing I learned about taking training classes is if you have some knowledge of the subject going into the class you leave with a lot more knowledge coming out.
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I have always loved showing people how to engrave. It is akin to passing on knowledge to the next generation. I have no kin and I wish to instruct those who have an interest. This is the soft spot in my armour.
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One thing I always wondered is how you do the designs. Is is all free hand or somekind of image transfer?
I for one would lack the ability to free hand an image without it looking like crap.
I would like to try some simple letter on scrap metal pieces.
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